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Pipe Dreams? The Quantitative Scouting Model

July 1st, 2009 Shinsano · 5 Comments

Last night I had an interesting talk with an professor of economics from UC Santa Cruz. He’s here teaching a summer class at a university in Seoul and was in Busan with a mutual friend. Economics and baseball cross paths often, something I realized a few years ago when economists like Andrew Zimbalist kept popping up in statistical analysis blogs. And of course, there’s Bill James’s list of degrees.

Much to Jackson’s chagrin, I used enjoy getting a little sabermeticalicious on East Windup Chronicle, but then something happened. I started scouting baseball in Asia. Scouts and stat guys don’t mesh very well anyway, but since there are no official statistics in Korean high school baseball, stats have more or less been relugated to my fantasy baseball and OOTP baseball simulation worlds. Plum out of my scouting life.

However, we got to talking and I asked him if he’d come across much baseball in his studies. As I suspcted he had, and he told me economics journals are filled with baseball statistical analysis, and that even he, as a Spaniard and an avid soccer fan, enjoyed reading about baseball. He also did his PhD at the University of Chicago, so we enjoyed a few minutes of some Go Cubs Go talk that I will spare you of. Unless you’re a Cubs fan in which case join me in the comments section per usual.

I told him about what I do in scouting, about the variety of ways we grade players and explained how very few of them are what one would call hard data — really just times on the bases and pitching velocities. The rest are subjective in nature, things like range, baserunning instincts, and statistician’s favorite — player makeup. I told him a quantitative scouting model would be nearly impossible.

But he disagreed and told me that one of the most popular subjects of economics journals is bank loans. Naturally there is hard data in loaning — who gives the money back and who doesn’t, but then there’s also a lot of subjectivity, a lot of gut calls, when it comes to awarding people money you’re hoping they’ll pay back.

I wish this were the introduction of a long article discussing the statistical scouting model the professor and I came up with, but it’s not.  In fact, our conversation ended when dinner did. However, he and I have been emailing a little and we’re going to see if anything comes of it. Stay tuned. Or if you hate baseball statistics, don’t.

And PS: the OOTP baseball league I play in is looking for new members. Go here and fill out the application if you’re interested.

Tags: Scouting · Who's Down With OOTP?

5 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Corsairs // Jul 1, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Hello all, this is the commissioner of the OOTP league that Shinsano plugged at the end of his article. We are indeed on the lookout for a couple new owners and would welcome applications from EWC readers. Ours is a “writing league”, meaning that owners contribute articles that help develop back story and character. Visit our website today and you’ll see the lead story about a recent bench-clearing brawl was written by none other than Shinsano himself.

    We have a very active, creative community which we’d love for you to become a part of! To get started, click the “Contact Commish” link under the PEBA Links menu on our homepage and fill out the form. I’ll promptly contact you with further details about the league. We look forward to hearing from you!

  • 2 Shannon // Jul 1, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Interesting idea. I’d like to see more if/when you get it going. Like you say it seems like scouting is such a judgement based thing but then there are scores and there must be some general truths in the scouting scoring system.

  • 3 Navin // Jul 2, 2009 at 1:35 am

    Cubs fan reporting in. Did the professor say anything of interest in regards to the Cubs?

  • 4 Shinsano // Jul 2, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Well, not really. Except things go better when ARam gets back. Hope so.

  • 5 hansioux // Jul 3, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    interesting… i suppose investing in prospects is similar to loaning people money…

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