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		<title>By: Jow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dokdo issue

http://english.dokdohistory.com/dokdo-history/dokdo-korean-territory.asp

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~korean/SpecialAnnouncement/DokdoIsland.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dokdo issue</p>
<p><a href="http://english.dokdohistory.com/dokdo-history/dokdo-korean-territory.asp" rel="nofollow">http://english.dokdohistory.com/dokdo-history/dokdo-korean-territory.asp</a></p>
<p><a href="http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~korean/SpecialAnnouncement/DokdoIsland.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~korean/SpecialAnnouncement/DokdoIsland.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: hansioux</title>
		<link>http://eastwindupchronicle.com/baseball/second-times-a-charm/comment-page-1/#comment-16945</link>
		<dc:creator>hansioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian I can almost hear the first notes of Dixie looking at the bags...

Jason, yeah, most likely they don&#039;t know.  &quot;Hot Ass&quot; shirts on kids aren&#039;t the signs of parents in the know.

Simon, there is actually a large sized Chinese Pinoy population.  In fact many Tagalog kinship words, such as &quot;Ate&quot; (older sister), &quot;Apo&quot; (grandpa), &quot;Impo&quot; (grandma) are loan words from Hokkien dialect.

These are not easy words to be replaced by loan words.  As close as Korean and Japanese were to Chinese, they didn&#039;t loand kinship words from Chinese (except hyeong for male to address slightly older male).  The fact these kinship loan words exists shows an intimate influence of Chinese culture to Tagalog.

Chinese merchants from Hokkien have immigrated to the Philippines since the Spanish period.  Population in the Chinese quarters in Manila, Parian, at several times out numbered other populations, resulting in several massacres.

In the 1603 Chinese massacre, 20,000 Chinese in Manila refusing to convert to Hispanic names were killed.  Leaving still large numbers of Chinese who did convert.

In fact, José Rizal, the national hero and martyr of the Philippine Revolution, is of Chinese decent, so is the first Filipino Saint, St. Lorenzo Ruiz.

There are a lot of Chinese decent in the Philippines, and due to forced conversion to Hispanic last names, it isn&#039;t easy to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian I can almost hear the first notes of Dixie looking at the bags&#8230;</p>
<p>Jason, yeah, most likely they don&#8217;t know.  &#8220;Hot Ass&#8221; shirts on kids aren&#8217;t the signs of parents in the know.</p>
<p>Simon, there is actually a large sized Chinese Pinoy population.  In fact many Tagalog kinship words, such as &#8220;Ate&#8221; (older sister), &#8220;Apo&#8221; (grandpa), &#8220;Impo&#8221; (grandma) are loan words from Hokkien dialect.</p>
<p>These are not easy words to be replaced by loan words.  As close as Korean and Japanese were to Chinese, they didn&#8217;t loand kinship words from Chinese (except hyeong for male to address slightly older male).  The fact these kinship loan words exists shows an intimate influence of Chinese culture to Tagalog.</p>
<p>Chinese merchants from Hokkien have immigrated to the Philippines since the Spanish period.  Population in the Chinese quarters in Manila, Parian, at several times out numbered other populations, resulting in several massacres.</p>
<p>In the 1603 Chinese massacre, 20,000 Chinese in Manila refusing to convert to Hispanic names were killed.  Leaving still large numbers of Chinese who did convert.</p>
<p>In fact, José Rizal, the national hero and martyr of the Philippine Revolution, is of Chinese decent, so is the first Filipino Saint, St. Lorenzo Ruiz.</p>
<p>There are a lot of Chinese decent in the Philippines, and due to forced conversion to Hispanic last names, it isn&#8217;t easy to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://eastwindupchronicle.com/baseball/second-times-a-charm/comment-page-1/#comment-16906</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I carry a bag with the American flag on it.  It&#039;s pretty stylish I think.  

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/09/thats-true-confederate-flag-is-pretty.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I carry a bag with the American flag on it.  It&#8217;s pretty stylish I think.  </p>
<p><a href="http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/09/thats-true-confederate-flag-is-pretty.html" rel="nofollow">http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/09/thats-true-confederate-flag-is-pretty.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://eastwindupchronicle.com/baseball/second-times-a-charm/comment-page-1/#comment-16904</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincecum&#039;s part Filipino though, so there aren&#039;t any Chinese character connections there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincecum&#8217;s part Filipino though, so there aren&#8217;t any Chinese character connections there.</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in lincecum&#039;s case, at least he is part asian, so he has some idea of the asian culture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in lincecum&#8217;s case, at least he is part asian, so he has some idea of the asian culture</p>
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		<title>By: Ironchef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ironchef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when White people get Chinese Characters tattooed on them when they have no idea what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when White people get Chinese Characters tattooed on them when they have no idea what it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol @ Hansioux.....I do need to ask, when I see Taiwanese young people wearing t-shirts that say things like &quot;ECSTASY MDMA&quot;, &quot;FUCKING HOT ASS&quot;, and have pot leaves on the front, are people aware of the meaning of any of this?  You see families of four walking around with t-shirts like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol @ Hansioux&#8230;..I do need to ask, when I see Taiwanese young people wearing t-shirts that say things like &#8220;ECSTASY MDMA&#8221;, &#8220;FUCKING HOT ASS&#8221;, and have pot leaves on the front, are people aware of the meaning of any of this?  You see families of four walking around with t-shirts like this.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincecum has a ? tattoo between his shoulder blades I think... and a lot of NBA players have kanji/hanzi tats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincecum has a ? tattoo between his shoulder blades I think&#8230; and a lot of NBA players have kanji/hanzi tats</p>
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		<title>By: hansioux</title>
		<link>http://eastwindupchronicle.com/baseball/second-times-a-charm/comment-page-1/#comment-16878</link>
		<dc:creator>hansioux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Asian culture&#039;s considering flags of US, UK or Canada and English slogans on shirts as fashion, it does exist, and not just in Asia.  I&#039;ve seen Asian children wearing T-shirts that says &quot;I love Marijuana&quot; with a leaf on the shirt.  I think if the parents knew what it meant they wouldn&#039;t buy it for their kids (or would they...).

On the other hand, English speaking countries are equally fascinated with Asian cultures.  Hence the Kanji and Hangul tattoos worn by people who didn&#039;t really know what they mean.  Even Prince Fielder got ?? (prince) tattooed on his neck over this winter.

I think it&#039;s a good thing that people are interested in other cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Asian culture&#8217;s considering flags of US, UK or Canada and English slogans on shirts as fashion, it does exist, and not just in Asia.  I&#8217;ve seen Asian children wearing T-shirts that says &#8220;I love Marijuana&#8221; with a leaf on the shirt.  I think if the parents knew what it meant they wouldn&#8217;t buy it for their kids (or would they&#8230;).</p>
<p>On the other hand, English speaking countries are equally fascinated with Asian cultures.  Hence the Kanji and Hangul tattoos worn by people who didn&#8217;t really know what they mean.  Even Prince Fielder got ?? (prince) tattooed on his neck over this winter.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a good thing that people are interested in other cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Planted flag on auction at MLB site... wonder who will get the money?
http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=103397446&amp;prmenbr=33072944&amp;aunbr=103744156</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planted flag on auction at MLB site&#8230; wonder who will get the money?<br />
<a href="http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=103397446&amp;prmenbr=33072944&amp;aunbr=103744156" rel="nofollow">http://auction.mlb.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=103397446&amp;prmenbr=33072944&amp;aunbr=103744156</a></p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Flag planting is generally associated with claiming that land tho.&quot;  Good point.  Which is why doing it in Japan would be a bad idea.

As a native San Diegan, should I be up in arms that the Korean national baseball team has staked a claim to my ancestral land?  Those assholes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Flag planting is generally associated with claiming that land tho.&#8221;  Good point.  Which is why doing it in Japan would be a bad idea.</p>
<p>As a native San Diegan, should I be up in arms that the Korean national baseball team has staked a claim to my ancestral land?  Those assholes!</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha.

Flag planting is generally associated with claiming that land tho. Iwojima and the moon for America and the sub-Arctic for Russia come to mind, not that they ended up holding any legal rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha.</p>
<p>Flag planting is generally associated with claiming that land tho. Iwojima and the moon for America and the sub-Arctic for Russia come to mind, not that they ended up holding any legal rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think all Koreans hate Americans.  

One thing I like about Chef&#039;s comments, however, are the nuance and subtlety with which he conveys his ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think all Koreans hate Americans.  </p>
<p>One thing I like about Chef&#8217;s comments, however, are the nuance and subtlety with which he conveys his ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ironchef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ironchef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what you folks are tlaking about, Koreans hate Americans. Especially American GIs

&lt;i&gt;Should I force Japanese team to stop calling themselves Samurai Japan, because I find it a distasteful form of expression since it brings back the idea of feudalism and revisionism of hierarchical structure that Meiji Revolution deconstructed?&lt;/i&gt;

All I know is that Ogasawara when shaved looks like Lou Diamond Phillips, and while he&#039;s got facial hair, my mom says he looks like the kind of Japanese that rapes women and kills babies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what you folks are tlaking about, Koreans hate Americans. Especially American GIs</p>
<p><i>Should I force Japanese team to stop calling themselves Samurai Japan, because I find it a distasteful form of expression since it brings back the idea of feudalism and revisionism of hierarchical structure that Meiji Revolution deconstructed?</i></p>
<p>All I know is that Ogasawara when shaved looks like Lou Diamond Phillips, and while he&#8217;s got facial hair, my mom says he looks like the kind of Japanese that rapes women and kills babies!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shinsano - In response to your comment that &quot;Koreans still wear American flags on their bodies and call it stylish.&quot; I find this type of &quot;style&quot; to be prevalent in Asia including Japan. Not only flags of U.S. or U.K., there is a certain infatuation with English language in general as can be evidenced by numerous Jpop artists using English that doesn&#039;t really make much sense within the context of song or T-shirts with English phrases that many Japanese teens wear that is utterly non sequitur. It&#039;s probably &quot;not a good style mind you.&quot; &quot;But a style nonetheless,&quot; as you have said, especially considering both countries interaction with U.S. in the past and currently in terms of military bases located on their soil and the constitutional limitations on each countries&#039; armed force by the U.S. It is a strange infatuation I must admit.  

In terms of purely personal opinion, I do find this whole idea of baseball teams representing each country to be rather absurd and funny, including the flag-planting incident that Korean team engaged upon. But, I do find the distinction between flag waving, flag painting, and flag planting to be more absurd. Flag waving and painting, while planting it over steps the boundaries of decency in sportsmanship? Is there a certain standardized test for this? Should I force Japanese team to stop calling themselves Samurai Japan, because I find it a distasteful form of expression since it brings back the idea of feudalism and revisionism of hierarchical structure that Meiji Revolution deconstructed? Also, I&#039;m not sure what an individual or a group chooses to do can account for a nation as a whole?

Just wanted to remind everyone that this is baseball game after all, and politicizing the nature of game through how one country is too nationalistic and what not per se is also politicizing the game as well. Just let them be, and enjoy the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shinsano &#8211; In response to your comment that &#8220;Koreans still wear American flags on their bodies and call it stylish.&#8221; I find this type of &#8220;style&#8221; to be prevalent in Asia including Japan. Not only flags of U.S. or U.K., there is a certain infatuation with English language in general as can be evidenced by numerous Jpop artists using English that doesn&#8217;t really make much sense within the context of song or T-shirts with English phrases that many Japanese teens wear that is utterly non sequitur. It&#8217;s probably &#8220;not a good style mind you.&#8221; &#8220;But a style nonetheless,&#8221; as you have said, especially considering both countries interaction with U.S. in the past and currently in terms of military bases located on their soil and the constitutional limitations on each countries&#8217; armed force by the U.S. It is a strange infatuation I must admit.  </p>
<p>In terms of purely personal opinion, I do find this whole idea of baseball teams representing each country to be rather absurd and funny, including the flag-planting incident that Korean team engaged upon. But, I do find the distinction between flag waving, flag painting, and flag planting to be more absurd. Flag waving and painting, while planting it over steps the boundaries of decency in sportsmanship? Is there a certain standardized test for this? Should I force Japanese team to stop calling themselves Samurai Japan, because I find it a distasteful form of expression since it brings back the idea of feudalism and revisionism of hierarchical structure that Meiji Revolution deconstructed? Also, I&#8217;m not sure what an individual or a group chooses to do can account for a nation as a whole?</p>
<p>Just wanted to remind everyone that this is baseball game after all, and politicizing the nature of game through how one country is too nationalistic and what not per se is also politicizing the game as well. Just let them be, and enjoy the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not mad at the flag planting but it is a bit tacky, you have to admit.  Kinda funny actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not mad at the flag planting but it is a bit tacky, you have to admit.  Kinda funny actually.</p>
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		<title>By: hydr0310</title>
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		<dc:creator>hydr0310</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone said that Korea sould expect the same if Korea loses to Japan in 2013? The Japanese can go ahead an do that and that will probably be the last thing they do in their life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone said that Korea sould expect the same if Korea loses to Japan in 2013? The Japanese can go ahead an do that and that will probably be the last thing they do in their life!</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be meaningful if King Felix goes for Venezuela in the semis.</description>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan looked bad-ass tonight.  Ichiro caught fire in the later innings.  If he&#039;s back on track...uh oh.

Steven Phillips on ESPN2&#039;s coverage predicted that Korea will win it all.  Which, no doubt, means they won&#039;t.  But he and Orel Hershiser were creaming on and on about how far Korea&#039;s come, how they combine the best of Asian and American baseball, and how they&#039;re a more complete and hungrier team than Team Japan.  That last point sounds right to me.

Tomorrow will be the pointless seeding game.  The winner of that squares off against the new-look Team USA on Sunday.  I&#039;ll be there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan looked bad-ass tonight.  Ichiro caught fire in the later innings.  If he&#8217;s back on track&#8230;uh oh.</p>
<p>Steven Phillips on ESPN2&#8217;s coverage predicted that Korea will win it all.  Which, no doubt, means they won&#8217;t.  But he and Orel Hershiser were creaming on and on about how far Korea&#8217;s come, how they combine the best of Asian and American baseball, and how they&#8217;re a more complete and hungrier team than Team Japan.  That last point sounds right to me.</p>
<p>Tomorrow will be the pointless seeding game.  The winner of that squares off against the new-look Team USA on Sunday.  I&#8217;ll be there!</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan v Korea, round 4 tomorrow, though I&#039;d expect both teams to treat the game more like a warm up for the semifinals. There&#039;s no point in trying to choose between USA and Venezuela, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan v Korea, round 4 tomorrow, though I&#8217;d expect both teams to treat the game more like a warm up for the semifinals. There&#8217;s no point in trying to choose between USA and Venezuela, really.</p>
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